Most people that vote third party wouldn't vote otherwise. Assuming that every vote for Jill Stein would've gone to Hillary is quite the assumption. I always vote third party, so assuming my current vote for Jill Stein would've gone towards Harris instead is just dumb and wrong.

You suck

That video literally shows the people that're rioting and throwing Molotovs at military vehicles. This is also outside the square. Tankman is also the day before the riots and the tanks are leaving the square, not going into it.

I mean, if you need a legit journalist saying it, here's a Western journalist that used to work for the Washington Post:

https://www.hnn.us/article/jay-mathews-the-myth-of-tiananmen

But, ultimately, there's not going to be a new York Times article saying that China didn't slaughter people for no reason because that's against their goals as Western journalists. I guess you'd just have to believe that the news lies about things. But I guess you believe that the news always tells the truth and that they're infallible.

What a funny way to ignore information that counters your viewpoints.

Well I can't exactly quote CNN for you to show you the counter to Western propaganda, can I? Tell me a "legit source" that isn't skewed by Western media.

I've lived in the Tampa Bay area my entire life, never evacuated before, and I left last night. Fuck Milton. Not worth riding this one out.

Because propaganda is effective.

This was just a ploy so he could kiss some hot models.

Vanya did transition to Victor in the show.

I mean, yeah. The only way to reform the system is from within the system. Here in lies the ultimate issue with the left: all I ever hear is criticisms and no solutions. We have two options, reform or revolution. Revolution is nearly impossible. So if it's reform, people need to be elected into the system to make the changes. There is no reform without elections. Even if we were to organize something big like a general strike, it would only make the bourgeoisie afraid. Real changes are legislative and that means elections. Unless you've got a better idea, in which case, please share with the class.

Getting a third party to win is the first step into breaking the US political duopoly and fixing the broken electoral system. The first changes a third party will make is regulations that allow third party wins in the future. It's about making progress towards the left. Democrats do not represent progress, but an upholding of the same tired political duopoly that gives capitalists power. The green party, regardless of whatever ideals you still hate about them, are very intent on changing the electoral system and ending the duopoly.

They use that argument because it's valid and holds weight. The only other option besides bringing in a third party with ballot access is violent revolution and that was a lot cooler of an idea before drones existed.

That's dumb. If you think the greens are just as bad as the Dems, then your brain is broken. PSL has ballot access in 17 states and they're the only other leftists running a candidate. Green party has more ballot access in 37 states and holds a significantly higher chance of meaning anything. But maybe in another 3 or 4 election cycles the PSL will have the ballot access that the greens do now.

They are the leftist party available.

You're citing a capitalist finance website to prove your point about socialism. You seem to be confused between social democracy and democratic socialism. I understand because they seem so similar that they must be basically the same thing, right? Nope.

The Nordic model is a form of social democracy. They take many of the benefits that socialism provides and builds them into a capitalist economy. Democratic socialism is an actual form of a worker owned an operated economy.

If you're ever in doubt, ask the question, "who owns the means of production?" If the answer is huge megacorporations and wealthy billionaires, then it's a capitalist economy. If the answer is the working class, it's socialist.

Well I don't see nearly as much ballot access from the PSL or any other minor party. Maybe we should make a new party that'll lose popularity to the next one in 5 years. No party will ever be leftist enough for leftists in this country and that pretentious mindset will keep us weak forever.

I didn't say that I did think that. What I do think is that leftists should leverage the biggest third party that's the closest to representing their core values into the party that they want. It has nothing to do with Jill Stein and more to do with uniting under one generalized leftist party instead of constantly fracturing into weaker more specific parties.

It's that kind of attitude that weakens the left. If every leftist were involved with the greens, we could create a truly revolutionary party.